We also created a Google Sheet version of the. John, I appreciate the input. Not every leader will be great at meetings, and in most cases, Ill happily trade lack of that skill, for the other gifts the Lord sent them to their calling to use. He Fasted and Prayed I observed that my bishops ascent to the mountaintop started well below sea level, meaning he had a steep learning curve despite his years of experience as a bishops counselor. Our church Members and Leaders come from all different walks of life and life experiences. As Melissa looked at the faces of the members of the ward council, she saw genuine affection and concern. I note several spelling errors Please forgive them. Basic LDS (Mormon) gospel principles are organized according to beliefs we have for the Premortal, Mortal and Postmortal lives. Unfortunately, I cannot agree with most of the things you have said. I have sat in wonderment at some of the things said about people. I went home, reworked the agenda, sent it to the Stake President with comments that we could all read the calendar and come with questions, if we had them. LOVE. Soon after his call, he shared with me one day how different the feeling is to be a counselor to a presiding authority as opposed to being the presiding authority. And yet the church handbook used to say all quorum presidencies go visit your members at least annually. Eveything in between builds up to it and makes you appreciate it so much more, "Can anyone doubt that [The Book of Mormon] was meant for us, and that in it we can find great power, great comfort and great protection?" And if you cant or dont understand when there is a need to be flexible, then return to the step one, of seeking the spirit. They can also learn how to become better speakers, better leaders, and better people persons! Thats just an idea that really helped us to have more effective meetings. No Round-Robin: Just because you are sitting in a circle doesnt mean you need to talk in a circle. If the missionaries come with very prepared progress records and report the most important things and needs, then the other, less-important things can just be written on the progress record to keep the leadership informed. These members watched their parents put in so much time in their callings growing up that it turned into resentment. Oct 29, 2020. Ive tried to practice some of the things listed, but lately Ive felt like my meetings havent been as productive. For example: Yearly planning meetings Plan for the entire year. It all seems a tad presumptuous that you should be able to state unbreakable rules about church meetings. It discusses the different types of meetings organizations should/could have. Stake councils are held when excommunication is a possibility for a man ordained to the faith's Melchizedek Priesthood. I agree with a lot that you said but feel bad that you classify my opinion in a negative light. March 26, 2015 Droundy, I think is foolish to think that you can limit every meeting to sixty minites for instance high council meeting where missionaries report thier mission ,with the increased number of missionary there just isnt enough time in sixty minite meeting due to the number of missionarys .Remember Its the Lords work and as long as your making progress then a few more minites of our time wont hurt. The Career Workshop Participants Workbook (item no.35163) is available through store.lds.org, Distribution Services, or Church employment resource centers. That said, there are thousands of AMAZING people doing amazing amounts of service and providing tremendous leadership all across the world just now. After that, we can talk about 45-minute meetings, etc. Mormon Beliefs and Teachings. They can call or email participants and ask for businesses to be included. I have always believed that the only thing better than a short meeting is no meeting at all. I cant imagine sitting through a 3 hour branch coordination. This was patterned from bishopric training given by our stake presidency at the time. Suggest that as a ward council you should be prepared to share testimony of heart and mind with the members of the ward. I have and it might be more isolated to my experience in working with ward and stake leadership. Efficient meetings still require that people prepare. More succinctly, Elder Neal A. Maxwell said, it is direction first, then velocity!. If I had the wish of my heart, I would remove from the vocabulary of the Latter-day Saints the word meeting. Three principles for more meaningful prayer. Ugh, meetings. Some of the info you provided is excellent. I keep notes, carry scriptures and manuals, maintain a calendar, and just about everything else on an iPad. Removing the Poison of an Unforgiving Spirit . I would love for better instruction to be given in the church handbook about HOW to conduct effective meetings because people called to leadership positions dont necessarily have any experience in that area at all. Unfortunately, when the children spread out their blankets, they had accidentally upset a wasps nest. They have vowed NEVER to do that to their families: The result? Then implement their feedback. Our Stake President wisely counselled our presidency when we were set apart to not be bound by the traditions of how things have been done in the past. I highly recommend the book Death by Meeting. Use a timer! I also believe that well organized and well functioning committees could be used to help get many problems resolved in organizations of the church. To say a meeting is never worth 61 minutes is putting artificial constraints on the spirit and leaders that are not appropriate. However, they are adults and responsible for their own actions. Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. A ward disciplinary council consists of four people: the ward's bishop and his two counselors and the ward clerk. Or Well, our 60 minute bishopric meeting has concluded. Delegate and Follow Up! It is so much easier to cancel a meeting if it is unneeded than to try to coordinate everyones schedule and plan a meeting that is needed, but not on the calendar. Handbook 2 (4.6) advisesward council should be 60-90 minutes in duration. I have concerns with #5 no tech. We were having fun and working hard. Awesome comment! What are the most important things we can discuss? Weve been talking about a revelatory experience with the members of the ward council. If you want to keep meetings on target and focused come prepared spiritually to discuss spiritual matters. When we got there the meeting was closed as we had gone over (over what I dont know). Handbook 2 (4.6.3) states, the ward council seeks inspiration in developing a course of action to bless the lives of members. I used the title in the image Unbreakable Rules as manly a way to intrigue the audience, and it worked. Exactly, including the Bishop, RS President, EQ President, YW President, etc. Some are even mandating ward council to be held weekly. All EQ/HPGL/YM/YW/P/RS presidency meetings are held during Sunday School (SS holds them during the 3rd hour). And lots of tools for having meetings that dont get used either. I dont believe the Spirit operates according to your unbreakable rules. She did not remind me, and knowing her, she would have attended our meeting. That will be the greatest contribution to having a revelatory experience. No excuse is required. How would he treat the situation? RE: HC If you have more than six missionaries reporting their missions in the same week (ten minutes per missionary), it is probably time to split your stake. And better listeners! Our leaders and members are not perfect and never will be on this earth! God is nothing if not a heuristic teacher, and nothing invites the Spirit like causing members to think and consider and wonder. Cheshire Cat: Then it doesnt matter which way you go. As the council discussed the needs of a single mother with a young daughter who has health problems, the Relief Society president knew of a job where the mother could work and still be near her daughter. Life is too short to be miserable and unhappy in the church and in life! There is no other option of where to start than there. All church leaders should go visit Toastmasters meetings! Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. You can run ANY meeting in the world in an hour, if you know what youre doing. In the busy life of a church leader, that can be difficult. I serve as a stake executive secretary in Southern Spain, where the Church isnt that old (the country was dedicated in 1969). It is put in the hands of those who are entitled to revelation to lead. After we experienced a great deal of success in baptisms and returning members, it was decided to move this activity back to the organization level, where it sputtered and died. Originally from West Valley City, UT, Mike Brady currently resides in Chubbuck, ID, adjacent to where his amazing wife Chelsie grew up. I think we have the mistaken notion that every element of revelation coming to the ward has to come through the bishop. Assignments were made and we concluded as the timer in my pocket, set for 45 minmutes, buzzed. Im talking about council meetings (ward council, presidency meetings, stake high council, etc.). Yet in some ways, this idea wasnt the success the bishop had hoped for. If you cant help but go over the 1 hour mark, then you need more discipline through a timer. Cultivate a spirit of optimism. Not all wards need to do this, but if a ward needs to do blitzes, it should do blitzes. I have sat through high council meetings that were 2 1/2 hours long. If not you will hear in the halls of the Church buildings. Let them do so. Saying that, The bishop isnt there to get revelation sounds shaky. I usually ask to be released when I run into a church leader like this. And if members of councils, if members of families, as they come together, would think in terms of Im preparing to participate in a revelatory experience with my family instead of going to a meetinga revelatory experience with the members of the ward councilI think we would prepare and act much differently. Tech is not the most distracting thing ever. We had a response plan in place because we had talked about these preparations in ward council before they happened, he said. Preparing for that purpose is the responsibility of each ward council member. I believe many church meetings are a total waste of time. Looks like I need to write a part 2 focused on preparing for revelatory experiences. So, I dont think this really addresses where our meetings are going wrong and it goes deeper into changing attitudes and cultures among (mostly) younger members of the Church. We can offer positive suggestions and ideas. Offer nativity/creche exhibit (s) for viewing. They got over it. This was done to help speed our process, help us remember who was in what position, what positions were open, etc. Why should I be inconvenienced so that I can conform to a luddite version of proper meeting etiquette? After each council meeting, the bishopric would convene for a few minutes to discuss how things went, what went well, and what could be improved. Yes! Assisted by his counselors, he helps the presidency of the Aaronic Priesthood (bishopric) and oversees the Scouting program where its available. The Lord has prepared ways for His children to be protected and loved, she thought. We need to build up each other, encourage, uplift, motivate, set the example, and help out where ever we can. The high priests group leader and the elders quorum president are responsible for the spiritual and temporal welfare of the men over whom they preside. People commit certain amount of time and it should be respected by everyone. Organizations had not been doing regular visits, despite repeated requests, invitations, etc., so he decided to own it at the ward council level while believing that it should have been owned by each organization. Apr 18, 2021 - Explore Holly Thompson's board "Ward council spiritual thought", followed by 473 people on Pinterest. I have generally been involved in music and managed to avoid lengthy council meetings. To help stress the principle taught in 2:4.6.11 (see quoted paragraph above), the agenda structure removed all references to separate organizations and instead listed the missions of the Church: Beginning each meeting with a spiritual thought typically out of the scriptures or a general conference talk followed by a very brief discussion (2-3 comments tops) invites the Spirit, sets the tone, and starts the council thinking with a spiritual mindset. Very true, but I would consider reorganizing visiting teaching and administrative task so it shouldnt be done in a meeting. With a yearly plan/schedule established and a yearly budget a bishopric would have all of the monthly Sacrament meeting themes established, all of the music planned out. MLS is terrible at this we put on one page what MLS put on 14. This forces council members to communicate midweek as much as possible over email, text, etc. That is definitely a meeting that takes more than 60 minutes and you cant just stop in the middle when the timer rings. Even with an invitation to the spirit there should still be guidelines that a leader follows to manage the meetings effectiveness. Been there, done that, experienced that! I definitely believe that a general timing rule should exist. (1) when an issue takes up time at a meeting that could easily (or even more effectively) be dealt with in an email; Councils are increasingly being emphasized by Church leaders in their teaching and training. Heavenly father doent stop in the middle of our life cause the timer went off or say sorry cant help i already spent my 60 minites. We did so much with those kids that 10 years later they still talk about their Primary Days and are using our ideas in their own presidencies. 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